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Judge to public officials – you have no private life and no expectation of privacy

Susan Sally Mann is back in the news again as General District Court Judge Dean Worcester has ruled that public officials have no communications that can be considered private, even if they originate from a personally owned device located within their home using access paid for by the official personally.

Modern technology, Worcester wrote, has given Waters a “virtual office” that follows her everywhere, 24/7.

His ruling may infringe on the privacy of a public figure, Worcester wrote, and “that is simply a consequence of being a public official.”

The General Assembly may want to create an exemption for personal or private communications, or to clarify the definition of “transacting public business,” Worcester concluded, but it hasn’t done so yet.

I’m curious if the Judge is simply ruling in this fashion to spotlight for the General Assembly something he considers to be a gaping hole in the law and is suggesting they fix it. I’m no fan of activist judges, as anyone who reads this blog will know, but I find it hard to credit the idea that any reasonable person would view election to public office as a surrender of any privacy in communication.

In fact, the more I think about this ruling, the more it sounds like this was the activist position. If his comments are being reported accurately, here, then the judge is saying that the privacy expectations of our public officials changed when the technology changed. In other words, their private communications were respected as private when they were sending traditional paper mail but now that e-mail is the primary mode of communications, they have lost that expectation. I fail to understand how the introduction of a new technology should suddenly revoke a previously protected right without the General Assembly’s actions. My assertion is that the judge has stood this issue on its head. The GA should not have to re-write the law to re-protect a person’s privacy, the judge should have required them to re-write the law to allow an FOIA request to demand those communications previously respected as private.

Think about the ramifications of this interpretation of the FOIA. A law enforcement officer needs a warrant to gain access to a person’s private e-mail. That warrant must include some sort of probable cause. In other words, the police need to have a reasonable suspicion that something in that e-mail pertains to a criminal investigation. Without that, no judge is going to permit the police to simply grab all of a person’s e-mail and go wandering through it on a fishing expedition. Not so with the FOIA, under this judge’s ruling. A private citizen need not even explain why they want the documents and they are under no obligation to keep the documents they gain in confidence. This ruling places the capability of a common joe to extract a person’s personal communications far, far in excess of what we would allow our law enforcement officials – and that common joe can post the whole thing on the internet where the police can’t. (At least not without getting into trouble.) Add to that the issue that the police can’t execute such a warrant on purely political reasons. They are required to be in the process of investigating a crime of some sort. This application of the FOIA is a political tool, nothing more.

The FOIA was conceived to prevent public officials from closing the doors of government to the people. Councils that ran meetings in closed session and then wouldn’t post the minutes of the meeting, agencies that deliberate on new ordinances but won’t reveal who or what gave input to those new regulations, and officials that take actions in the pursuit of their office based on information they claim to have and yet won’t share were the targets of the FOIA when it was proposed. This political fishing trip has nothing to do with the governance of Loudoun County and everything to do with partisan politics – and it’s even internal partisanship within a single party, to boot!

All of that said, I think the judge’s suggestion that the GA address this issue is a good one and it’s something we should bring up to our reps. They need to clarify the issue so judges won’t continue to allow the latest technological development to re-write the law for us.

In the meantime, it would not surprise me in the least for our county government to now “go dark” in terms of electronic communications. In the face of this ruling, it’s the prudent thing to do.

(Updated to correct Sally Mann’s name. Apologies for that fumble, folks.)

28 November, 2007 - Posted by | Blogging, Internet, Law, Technology, Virginia Politics

24 Comments

  1. This case is all about a personal vendetta of Sally Mann against Lori Waters, who voted against land use cases involving Mann. My communications of a political nature with Mrs. Waters, who I raised funds for, are in question. This lawsuit was filed weeks before the election. Phyllis Randall, Lori Waters’ Democratic opponent, told Waters that Sally Mann contacted her via email offerring her any information Mann gathered during her FOIA request. Lori Waters went above and beyond any reasonable definition of “public document” when providing emails to Mann from her private email accounts. Mann demanded access to purely political discussions that she promised to Waters’ political opponent (and is now telling everyone what a great Republican she is). This is just so glaringly beyond the scope of any reasonable interpretation of FOIA it is laughable. I am certain this will be appealled successfully. Every politician must be concerned with this ridiculously over-reaching intursion into their private lives.

    Comment by Jeff Wolinski | 28 November, 2007

  2. What a thought provoking post and topic.

    I have a few other observations and theoretical questions. First, email is not the only form of electronic data. Additional data, both private and public, can reside in word processing documents and electronic spreadsheets. Databases containing inventories and banking information can exist in banking programs. Where do you draw the line?

    Should a FOIA request compel a public figure to turn over private Quicken banking data? How about personal purchases from Amazon, Barnes and Noble, iTunes, or Leesburg Pharmacy? Does Judge Worchester’s ruling include this data?

    What about private correspondence between family members? What about sports schedules of the children of public officials? Do we really want adversarial parties gaining access to this type of communications?

    I have always found FOIA responses curious. Why should the individual being FOIAed be the producer of the data? The individual can easily delete, alter, or create new data. Why have electronic FOIA only included the individual’s PCs? What about the servers? Servers provide a more “pure” source for the data. It would not be a bad idea to make the government IT organizations responsible for the production of FOIA data. Have them take data directly off email and file servers. Create IT policies that require all government/public data be stored on government server assets. Centralize all government official data into one location, and create policies for their retention. It’s not perfect, and certainly there are areas for additional discussion but it would be a start.

    It certain would appear that Judge Worchester’s ruling is set up to be a foil for clarity on this issue. Much is to be considered before electronic FOIA is clarified to balance a need for open government and the privacy of those who serve.

    Comment by BlackOut | 28 November, 2007

  3. I suppose if it isn’t appealed, Steve Snow is going to have to fill in some e-mails between he and Dale Polen Myers that he’s held back, huh?? What’s fair for the goose….

    Comment by 10 feet tall and Bulletproof | 28 November, 2007

  4. [...] Ric James posted a thoughtful reflection here on the downside of this ruling. “A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.” – Steve [...]

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  5. Thanks for your post on this. Different states have different laws about what documents are public — and in a number of states, judges are ruling in very different ways on what a private email is, or isn’t.

    As I understand the issue here, the judge probably thinks that email communications about campaigns and politics are not “private” in the same way that an email asking your kid to bring milk home is private.

    But you’re right–I think–that if this ruling stands on appeal, it would seem to mean that an elected official’s emails about campaign strategy, etc.–even sent on private equipment at home–would no longer be private.

    Open government advocate that I am, if that’s what this ruling says, I’d have to agree with your concern about it.

    Comment by Leslie Graves | 29 November, 2007

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  8. [...] blog have certainly taken notice of the situation here in Loudoun and, I’m proud to say, my recent post on the court ruling that a public official is basically to be denied any privacy in communications. [...]

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  9. I received this email from Ms. Randall that was sent directly to Mr. Wolenski after I negatively commented to her about running an upstanding campaign and then finding out she worked with Ms. Mann and did what I thought was abuse the system. Public, private documents provoke serious discussion but outright misrepresentation of the facts is worse.

    FROM MS. RANDALL TO JEFF WOLENSKI:
    Since you have never bothered to ask me if Sally Mann offered me the FOIA documents yet you continue to keep saying so in every possible place you can, I thought I would set the record straight. If after this you continue to say this, you do so knowing you are being much less than truthful.

    Jeff,
    First off let me say that I don’t know, nor have ever met Sally Mann. I’ve seen her once, from the stage at a debate. I’ve never spoke to her, NEVER!

    On October 22, Ms. Mann sent the following e-mail to my info site; it read in its entirety the following:

    “Just wanted you to know that I have filed a mandamus against Lori Waters for redacting information (with a magic marker) she supplied to me from a FOIA request, and for not providing me any documents or emails from Jeff Wolinski after February 2007.

    The hearing is set for this Friday, October 26 @ 8:30 am in the old courthouse.

    That’s it Jeff, nothing more or less. I never e-mailed her back and never heard from her again. At the firehouse I asked Lori who Sally Mann was and she gave me a brief history of the land use issues and the fact the Ms. Mann is FOIAing her. She (Lori) said she did not want to give all her e-mails correspondence to Mann because in contained “campaign strategy”. We had a laugh and that was that.

    I only write this to you now because I really would like to not be in the middle of this ridiculousness between all of you. She (Sally) never offered me anything more than the information in the e-mail above….

    Comment by Diane Graham | 30 November, 2007

  10. I never accussed Phyllis Randall of working with Sally Mann, I only stated that Mann contacted Randall. Phyllis was nice enough to ask Lori Waters about this situation and share this with her. I have nothing but respect for Phyllis Randall, but believe her to be a little too sensitive about this matter. I will say that there is no direct offer of FOIA materials from Mann to Randall, but believe that offer to be implied. Why else would Mann be contacting Waters’ Democratic opponent with this news?

    Comment by Jeff Wolinski | 1 December, 2007

  11. Wow Jeff from all the things I read from you I really thought you had some direct information that Mann made some direct or huge offer to Randall. If the only e-mail sent by Mann to Randall were those three lines, thats NOTHING.

    Basically Mann told Randall something that is actually in the public domain. The date and time of a court hearing.

    Big F-ing deal. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    I agree sometime Mann can sound a little loopy, but Jeff you sound fairly out of it yourself on this one.

    Comment by Public citizen | 1 December, 2007

  12. Hi Sally!!!!!

    Comment by More public citizen | 1 December, 2007

  13. Public Citizen, feel free to think whatever the hell you want. That email is something when this person is telling everyone that she is a great Republican, yet is notifying Waters’ Democratic opponent of the FOIA case. Waters also had Mike Firetti telling her “we will keep suing you and suing you” after his campaign manager Brian Roherty was at Mann’s court hearings and walking her around the county office building. This whole FOIA business is a personal/political vendetta presented as some kind of act of valor. It is far from that.

    Comment by Jeff Wolinski | 1 December, 2007

  14. Jeff you are nuts.

    I’m not saying Mann should have e-mailed Randall, but all the e-mail informed Randall of was of an upcoming court date. Really I thought you has some hard intel that Mann was giving out real info.

    Hell up-coming court hearings are often printed in the paper. One of the local papers has already printed that the appeal on the FOIA’s will be Jan 28th. It’s Public knowledge. Giving public knowledge is NOT NEWS! Mann did not tell Randall anything about what was in the FOIA documents, she did not even offer to tell her.

    No kidding Jeff you are a few ants short of a picnic. Get over yourself or get some real Inside Information. You know the kind we can’t all read in the papers.

    Comment by Public citizen | 2 December, 2007

  15. Public Citizen, that’s quite enough. You’ve made your point about your interpretation of the e-mail sent from Mann to Randall and regarding hard proof required to back up Jeff’s statement about Mann offering the FOIA material. You don’t need to press ad hominem attacks regarding anyone’s mental health, most especially not here. I’ll thank you to keep it civil.

    Comment by Ric James | 2 December, 2007

  16. Think what you want, PC. Ants are fascinating critters byt the way, I highly recommend the writings of E.O. Wilson on the subject.

    Giving “public knowledge” as you call it to someone out of the blue who you don’t know is not exactly a run of the mill everyday occurrence. I will concede the point that Mann did not explicitly offer Randall information, but in my opinion that can easily be inferred from the unsolicited contact.

    Comment by Jeff Wolinski | 2 December, 2007

  17. Wow I think we just came to a meeting of the minds (almost). I still don’t think the case can be made that an offer of public information is necessarily a betrayal of the Republican candidate.

    BUT I also don’t think Mann was working for the good of the party when she sent the e-mail.

    The question, that we may never know is this. If Randall were the average politician (which Jeff I agree with you on this point, I think Randall is a stellar person) but if someone with less scruples than Randall pushed Mann or in anyway responded to Mann’s e-mail what would have happened next. How far Mann would have gone with this.

    The big irony here is that Randall herself may have benefited Waters and Mann by not responding to Mann. And if fact may actually benefited the whole LCRC to boot.

    Comment by Public citizen | 2 December, 2007

  18. My name is Sally, not Susan, Ric. And Ms. Waters testified in court that she uses her home computer and blackberry regularly to communicate with county staff and constituents. The emails which had sentences and paragraphs redacted were from 2006 mostly, and they discussed planning commission meetings and things like that –which I attended! that involved my property. I asked her on the stand if the communications were relevant to her campaign, and she would not answer. She said she did not remember any details about the general nature of what was redacted. She would not admit that Jeff Wolinski was part of her campaign. In fact, on other blogs Jeff Wolinski denied he was part of her campaign. All email with a supervisor is “political” and if it is “political” that makes it a FOIA’ble doc. It is important to have it this way so there are no secret substratas, no secret subgroups influencing public policy or decisions–the whole point of FOIA is to keep government open and to not allow secret communication or secret meetings…

    Comment by Sally Mann | 2 December, 2007

  19. Once again Sally Mann thinks EVERYTHING is about her. I guarantee that Lori Waters and I never wasted our time speaking of Sally Mann’s land use cases. While she and I frequently discussed political matters, I was NOT an official member of her campaign. I did raise funds for her at a fundraiser at my home, however. Just because she may use her home computer and Blackberry to do county business does not mean that everything to or from that device is a public document. This is so absolutely ridiculous.

    Comment by Jeff Wolinski | 2 December, 2007

  20. Sally Mann, thank you for bringing that to my attention. I must’ve looked at that post 100 times and never saw the mistake. It’s corrected now, and thank you again.

    Comment by Ric James | 3 December, 2007

  21. [...] County Supervisors an interesting assertion has been made. In the comments section to one of my previous posts on the matter, a principle in the case (Sally Mann) makes this [...]

    Pingback by What is and is not accessible via FOIA in Virginia « HoodaThunk? | 3 December, 2007

  22. It is abundantly clear that the Loudoun County government runs like no other. No one needs to personally attack someone for pursuing rights under the law. I am concerned what some of the supervisors are hiding that they are utilizing county tax dollars (and the resources of the county attorney’s office) to protect information that they themselves have deemed personal. These supervisors need to hire their own attorney to keep whatever “personal” secrets they may have. There is no shortage of rumor as to what they may be.

    Comment by Truth Do Good | 3 December, 2007

  23. Ahh, how refreshing. Sally ran and got MILARI MADISON to come to her rescue. Welcome to the discussion, Milari.

    Comment by 10 feet tall and Bulletproof | 7 December, 2007

  24. [...] said otherwise. Readers of this blog know full well my stance on the matter from my previous posts, here, here, here and here. While Judge Horne agrees with most everyone familiar with this case that the [...]

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